Forum Activity for @Andrea Bauer

Andrea B
@Andrea B
05/31/11 14:37:34
92 posts

Renting kitchen space by the hour?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Ruth is 100% right regarding sharing space. I was going to mention looking for a church or school but that is not allowed where I live, so make sure it is allowed where you are. She is also 100% correct about it being difficult to share space when making chocolate. As we all know chocolate can pick up scents/flavors. One of the kitchens presented as an option to me was normally a kitchen for a BBQ place!! The other thing to bear in mind is that other people's standards of cleanliness and organization may not match yours with regard to any workspace you may rent. Please visit any space you are considering and ask who else might be using the space and to check how the equipment is laid out and if the facility is clean.
Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
@Ruth Atkinson Kendrick
05/31/11 14:13:19
194 posts

Renting kitchen space by the hour?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Get creative and try to find a kitchen in a school, church or other facility that doesn't use it much. If that doesn't work, find a business that is busier in the summer, when you are not, and need some rent money in the winter when you need the kitchen. I share a commercial kitchen with gals that make granola. Their business is busy in the summer with Farmers Markets and less busy in the winter. I provided the kitchen with some equipment, ie SS table, speed rack, gas stove, copper kettle, etc. They use my equipment all year, and I go in the kitchen as needed. They don't charge me unless I use the kitchen several times a week. I also have my home-based kitchen that I use for chocolate production. I found it was very hard to work chocolate in conditions I couldn't control. Sharing a kitchen for chocolate is difficult at best. Good luck.
Andrea B
@Andrea B
05/31/11 13:29:16
92 posts

Renting kitchen space by the hour?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I am in Montana and have been looking at commercial kitchen space recently and it ranges here from $15/hour up to $40/hour. Prices can vary widely and, of course,verify the kitchen it "legal" with the Health Dept.

FYI - most if not all states prohibit food production from a home ktichen. You can consider setting up a kitchen that meets code in a garage or basement space.

Good luck!

Steve Whitman
@Steve Whitman
05/31/11 08:37:21
10 posts

Renting kitchen space by the hour?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hello Chocolate Lifers ;^) I'm a new subscriber, starting a chocolate business, and have tons of questions to ask. I'm in New Mexico, where the health codes prohibit any food production for salefrom the home - I have to work in an approved kitchen. I know that renting time in a commercial kitchen is one way many people get their start. Can anyone give me an idea of what to expect to pay to use someone else's kitchen during their off hours? I expect that these arrangements are often based on personal connections, and might vary widely depending on where you are. I'm currently working out of a kitchen incubator that charges an hourly rate that is too high for my operation to handle, as my production and sales are still very small. Any ideas on what a comparable cost might be would be helpful. $300/month? $500? $10/hr?

TIA for your insights,

Steve Whitman

Choco Canyon Artisan Chocolate


updated by @Steve Whitman: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
06/02/11 21:56:38
1,692 posts

New ChocolateLife Resource Wiki


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

Jeff:

I set up a country page and made you the editor ... you'll have to sign up for an account and let's talk about what the page should contain.

http://www.discoverchocolate.com/wikilists/doku.php

:: Clay

Jeff Stern
@Jeff Stern
05/30/11 20:19:02
78 posts

New ChocolateLife Resource Wiki


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

Sounds good Clay. I can be a resource for all chocolate things Ecuador.

Jeff

Jim2
@Jim2
05/30/11 15:32:48
49 posts

New ChocolateLife Resource Wiki


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

Clay,

Sounds like a good addition to the cacau/chocolate community. I'm looking forward to "just the facts man, just the facts" . Count me in when you kick off.

Jim Lucas

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
05/30/11 10:19:16
1,692 posts

New ChocolateLife Resource Wiki


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

For some time, I've been striving to maintain databases of chocolate makers, blogs, and more and have been frustrated with the lack of good tools for doing this (i.e., flexible database tools that did not require huge amounts of expensive customization).

Therefore, I've decided to change things up and open things up and start something that could eventually become " the Wikipedia of Chocolate " (and be much more useful).

TheChocolateLife Resource Wiki is not a place to engage in discussions or make blog posts.It's a place to aggregate resources for community access. At the moment there are sections for Chocolatiers (chocolate makers), Confectioners, Blogs, Cocoa Merchants, References, and more. As the Wiki grows, it will include more categories.

If this is a project you'd like to get involved with, I am interested in working with people who are interested in becoming section editors. Let me know.

As with any Wiki, the respect of the community is vital. It's not a place to flame. For the most part I am interested in collecting facts - opinions can be expressed here on TheChocolateLife.

Please note that your ChocolateLife login will not work automatically on the Wiki. You'll be asked to create a new account.

:: Clay


updated by @Clay Gordon: 12/13/24 12:16:07
Ice Blocks!
@Ice Blocks!
06/05/11 23:18:31
81 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

I must agree with you, I don't like Lecithin for a number of reasons.

1. Aesthetic
2. Allergen sensitivity.
3. It usually solvent extracted with hexane. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lecithin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean_oil

I suspect its most commonly used by big chocolate to enable mass production machinery to be used with cheapened indredients.

Mark Heim
@Mark Heim
06/02/11 19:57:45
101 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

Lecithin will allow you to use less cocoa butter in your recipe, thinning itto get the flow properties you need for your use. It affects yield value a little more than viscosity, but overall more fluid rheology. It does have emulsification properties, and there is water in chocolate. Most chocolatespecifications call for less than 1-1.5% moisture, but it's there. The refining process generates heat, and some of the sugar becomes amorphous and will draw water from the air, the same thing is seen when you make confectioners sugar where you need a little starch to keep it free flowing. This moisture is emulsified by the lecithin. The lecithin has a polar and non polar portion of the molecule, the non polar portion extends into the fat, the polar portion into the moisture, usually on the surface of the sugar. If lecithin was simply a lubricant it would not start thickening the chocolate when you use too much, even tenths of a percent too much. It's not necessary but chocolate without it has higher cocoa butter levels compared to chocolate with, madeto similar rheology. The use of PGPR is becomming more common, but does not work very well if not with lecithin. Both thin the chocolate to let you use less cocoa butter, an expensive ingredient.
Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
05/31/11 09:22:02
527 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

Haha! Well said Omar.

I apologize if those reading this think I was being competitive. The reason I provided stats is because it's easy to hide behind anonymity and"talk the talk" on the Internet having not actually accomplished anything. At least Marco admitted that he doesn't actually "make" his chocolate. Thank you for your honesty Marco.

I too agree with not using any other fat than Cocoa Butter (well, except for the milk fat present in powdered milk for milk chocolate). I also agree with using an ingredient like lecithin if it's necessary.

As I've repeated, I believe that business is about making profit. If it isn't, then I challenge whomever questions this philosophy to stop being a hypocrite and stop charging money for their wares. Unless of course I'm missing something, and everyone out there in chocolate land is independently wealthy.

Cheers Omar. Thanks for the tip on Amonium Phosphatide.

Brad

Omar Forastero
@Omar Forastero
05/31/11 07:58:43
86 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

wooha! things are heatin up here, chocolate is melting :)

Marco I agree with not using any other fat but cocoa butter, however I don't see anything wrong with the use of soy Lecithin. At the end of the day, it's your baby, you decide what baby wears. Alot of chocolatiers use much worse ingredients than all of us and still there product is classified under "chocolate". And if this chocolate did not have a market it sure would not exist. I mean I can't see myself listening to justin beiber, yet beiber has thousands of fans. I can't compare beiber's music to daft punk either coz the genre is completely different. Just like music, you have the mainstream and the indie chocolate.Anyway you both make valid points (besides the muscle flexing) and that's the beauty behind the variety in chocolate abd its ingredients.

Marco Dabizzi
@Marco Dabizzi
05/31/11 03:45:29
4 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

:-) It seems like it's a competition between us two, judging from your words. Can't add anything more, we have different views. Anyway, 38.000 customers in three years probably are enough to buy you a fancy sport car, and if you are happy with that it's ok.

I still don't like the idea of using soy lecithin (or any other fat other than cocoa butter) in the chocolate, nothing wrong with this, I hope. Also, I would never use Lindt to compare the quality of a good chocolate... :-)

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
05/30/11 23:18:21
527 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

One point we agree on is that education is key, and that is something we have incorporated into our business model in the form of evening chocolate tastings and wine pairings. I host an average of 10 per month - both private and public - and they are usually sold out a month in advance. Tonight it was for 12 people in my shop, and on Thursday it will be a presentation to 250 people at an awards dinner.

You've found your niche selling chocolate that has won European awards, and that's great. Others have found their niche selling what they claim to be "healthy raw chocolate". Good for them too.

What I know is that tonight (as is what happens during most of my seminars), most people who walk through our doors in love with Lindt 70% actually spit it out in disgust after tasting ours. Here's a link to a blog post:

http://laurenzietsman.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/a-visit-to-choklat/

Here's another quote from a customer review on www.UrbanSpoon.com :

" When I walked through the doors of Choklat, I thought Lindt Excellence 70% was a good bar. An hour later I was actually spitting it out into a napkin! It was terrible! I've NEVER spit out chocolate before!"

As you can see, education is a focus of ours. However, for us it still doesn't really matter how many awards a chocolate has won in another country and the +/-10 people who have "passed judgement" on it to grant those awards. Cumulatively, they'll never buy enough chocolate to float my business. What reallymatters to me as the business owneris the 38,000 customers who have purchased our products in the past 3 years. Those 38,000 customers pay the bills and spread the word!

My advice to any business owner thinking of entering their chocolate / confections into a competition: "Be careful. Your results can backfire on you. What if you lose? What if your products get poor reviews? What kind of damage can the words of amere handful of peopledo to your business? Is that kind of damaging publicity really worth the risk?"

Marco, you are a reseller of other people's creations, so it's helpful for you to use awards such as what you've mentioned as part of your sales pitch. THere are a lot of great confections, and chocolate out there made by people who don't enter competitions. In fact there's a lot of chocolate out there BETTER than those who have won the competitions you mentioned. A competition is only as credible as the entries, and if not all the worthy competitors enter, it's not that credible. However the average consumer doesn't know that, so it's easy to play on it as a marketing strategy.

In the end, it's nice that the market is big enough for everybody. However, I'd bet my fancy sportscar that if you and I were the only players on the block I'd win. The secret is STILL to find out what people want, and then give it to them.

Cheers and Best Wishes.

Brad

Marco Dabizzi
@Marco Dabizzi
05/30/11 20:00:10
4 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

Hi Brad,

I appreciate your answer, but I still disagree... :-)

Keep in mind that I'm not a chocolate producer, I'm just an importer who decided to sell in Australia one of the best chocolate produced in the world, and this is not my definition but is the result of many awards like the Grand Prix of Chocolaterie in Paris, the Olympics of Food in Berlin and IKKA Contest in Salzburg, and of course the Salon du Chocolate.

I'm not saying that chocolate produced with soy lecithing is necessarily a worst product, just that... it's not chocolate how we are used to make it. And we can't hide the fact that many chocolatiers simply use soy lecithing because it's a cheaper and easier way to obtain certain results.

Of course every market is different, and the American market (where the chocolatier I'm talking about is very well appreciated) is certainly different compared to Italy, Belgium or France. But sometimes customers need to be educated to appreciate a better quality product, and even the American market is starting to buy much more dark chocolate compared to the past, thanks to a few Tuscan chocolatier that started to produce milk chocolate up to 70% of cocoa, too (without soy lecithin).

You say the market is the king, and until there will be people in USA willing to spend $250 per kg for our pralines I'm happy to sell this brand... :-) But at the same time I agree more with a business plan who privilege the quality to the quantity and the profit, money is important but not paramount. Lindt is making much more money with their chocolate than the chocolatier I'm talking about, but he would not switch his position with the bigger stockholder of Lindt even at gun point.

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
05/30/11 16:29:15
527 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

Marco;

I understand where you're coming from, but when it comes to recipes and the reasons for ingredients, who says the Europeans have it right? As a businessman selling my wares in Canada, I don't particularly care what other countries do with their chocolate. It's not personal. It's simply thatI'm not selling there. Here in Canada (and in the UK and Switzerland), people like a very creamy,not overly sweetmilk chocolate. The way to do that is obvious - lots of cream, whether it be powdered cream, or powdered skim milk with AMF. In our particular case, I get a fabulous, spray-dried product from a supplier here, and don't have to worry about extra care in the storage, as I would have with AMF. It's a dried product that lasts longer and requires no refrigeration. Our customers are so happy with the recipe I have tried, tested, and put into production, that they often send bars of our milk chocolate to their family in Europe, and return commenting that the recipientslike it better than the chocolate they can get in Europe and have requested more.

Case in point with regard to Italy: Is milk by itself "pure chocolate"? Is sugar by itself "pure chocolate"? What about vanilla? Nope. Nope, and Nope. Yet these ingredients have MUCH higher percentage counts in a "pure chocolate" recipe than lecithin at less than half a percent. Why then can't lecithin be included? It's no more"pure chocolate" than any of the ingredients you listed above. In fact, it's the only NECESSARY ingredientif one creates a recipe with low fluid fat properties (i.e. 70% cocoa beans, 10% cocoa powder, 20% sugar). Having said that, who's to say that Italy has it right either?

When it comes to dark chocolate, we use no lecithin. The CCB content is high enough to give good fluidity, and then we control the viscosity by temperature and crystalization.

Companies like Lindt however (lindt Excellence 70%) need to use lecithin because to increase intensity, they add cocoa powder to the bar on top of the cocoa content. Without lecithin it would be almost impossible to mold. (Note that I'm not saying Lindt 70% is any good. It just so happens to be widely recognized as a "premium" dark chocolate here in Canada.)

They're European. Did they get it right? I'm not sure. I DO know they sell a heck of a lot more every year than my company does! Yes, they're mass producers. However, business is business. Whether you're selling 10 bars, 100 bars, or 1 million bars, you're sellingyour chocolateto make money, and at that moment in time it's no longer about you, or your views. It's about the customer who's willing to PAY to eat your wares, and if they DO pay, then to them you've got it right.

I hope that makes sense, and doesn't come across confrontational. Having been in business for a long time, and been on many chocolate forums, I see all too often,small businesseswho get caught up in politics, terminology, or what "the other guy" is doing, or what "the industry standard" is.

The recipe in the end is very simple: "Find out what your customers want, and give it to them."

Cheers.

Brad

Omar Forastero
@Omar Forastero
05/30/11 06:53:27
86 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

The use of lecithin or anything equivalent became a necessity in chocolate production, be it mass or artisan.In my opinion i don't see lecithin to be a low quality product.

Let'skeep cost saving aside, in order to achieve a smooth thin layer of chocolate, you'll need an emulsifier/lubricant in your chocolate. I personally am more interested in applying AP to fillings, because its odorless, while lecithin has a strong smell. I am hoping to make some smooth fillings. hope this works out.

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
05/29/11 10:22:07
527 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

Looking good so far.

Thanks Kerry! Much appreciated.

Kerry
@Kerry
05/29/11 07:08:37
288 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

http://http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/fcn/gras_notices/grn_219.pdf

Oops, wrong file - check page 83. It appears the answer is yes.

Marco Dabizzi
@Marco Dabizzi
05/29/11 01:57:36
4 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

Hi Brad,

I understand that soy lecithin helps with some recipes, but my question is more general: why should you want to produce chocolate that requires soy lecithin? In my opinion, such a product is of a lower quality compared to a traditional pure chocolate, so the use of soy lecithin should be avoided as much as possible, finding a different recipe if necessary.

From what I can observe in Europe, the world of chocolate is split in two: industrial mass production on one side, artisan products on the other, using only traditional ingredients (i.e. cocoa, cocoa butter, sugar, vanilla and milk). These ingredients are the only one allowed in Italy if you want to use the logo "pure chocolate", for example.

PS I don't want to be blunt, I'm trying to express my opinion but English is not my first language.

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
05/29/11 01:22:03
527 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

Thanks Kerry, but PGPR and ammonium phosphatide are different. One uses castor beans (PGPR)and the otheris derived fromrape seed oil. Same concept from each though.

I could probably call our inspector at the CFIA, but she's still on holidays for the next week or so.

Cheers

Brad.

Kerry
@Kerry
05/28/11 20:30:48
288 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

Yup - approved for use in Canada.

Canada The Food and Drugs Act and Regulations.

PGPR to be added to Milk Chocolate ; Sweet Chocolate up to 0.5% PGPR to be added to Unstandardizedchocolate flavoured confectionery coatings up to 0.25 %

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
05/28/11 19:51:22
527 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

Some milk chocolate recipes require a lubricant like lecithin as well - especially if the recipe uses high fat powdered milk instead of skim milk powderand anhydrous milk fat (clarified butter). In our case, we use a high fat milk powder (28.5%), so unlike a milk chocolate that uses the liquid AMF, that 28.5% in our case is solid, and makes the chocolate thick like sludge. The lecithin acts like a lubricant and makes the chocolate MUCH more fluid and easy to work with. Without it, we could not mold our milk chocolate.

Sure we could change the recipe, but people love our milk chocolate. It's very similar to a Swiss milk chocolate - very creamy.

As an aside, the term "emuslifier" is technically incorrect, although it's a common term that everyone uses. Technically lecithin, ammonium phosphitades, or PGP act as a lubricant between the solid particles and the liquid fats. As I've preached before, chocolate is a suspension of solid particles in a fat, and not an emulsion of two or more compounds with similar liquid properties. It's just that emulsifier sounds better than "lubricant" on packaging.

Cheers.

Brad

Marco Dabizzi
@Marco Dabizzi
05/28/11 19:04:52
4 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

Hi Omar, apart from white chocolate, why should you use an emulsifier in the chocolate?
Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
05/27/11 10:53:39
527 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

Interesting article.

Does anyone know if ammonium phosphatide is approved for use in Canada?

Omar Forastero
@Omar Forastero
05/27/11 02:06:53
86 posts

Lecithin substitute


Posted in: Opinion

I was reading about ammonium phosphatide and its application in chocolate making as a substitute to lecithin. Through my research so far, i found out that cadbury is using the product, i ordered a sample to test anyway. This is good news for those with soy allergies.

http://www.confectionerynews.com/Processing-Packaging/Palsgaard-receives-US-approval-for-chocolate-emulsifier

Has anyone used this new emulsifier? (new to me at least)


updated by @Omar Forastero: 04/09/15 10:57:45
Andrea B
@Andrea B
05/29/11 11:51:35
92 posts

Robot Coupe vs. Thermomix?


Posted in: Opinion

Hi Clay, You make very valid points regarding the motor and the volume/quantity issues. I am certainly thinking about both. I currently make my ganache over the stove and it isn't an issue - I suppose I have a bit of the "but I really, really want it" syndrome. I don't tend to buy a lot of kitchen" gadgets" and am very practical about what Ichoose to buy (practical about an items usage - not necessarily about cost since I think it really makes sense to spend the money to buy the best - that said the best isn't always the most expensive either!). At this point I am leaning towards the Blixer. In the future, I'd probably get a Thermomix just to play with. I figure if I can find one on Ebay at a good price and really don't like it or use it much I can always resell it. Thanks again, Andrea
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
05/29/11 11:11:39
1,692 posts

Robot Coupe vs. Thermomix?


Posted in: Opinion

The container of the Thermomix is 2 quart (the same as a small Blixer); however the motor is not really designed to handle dense high-fat products like marzipan and pralins. Some things can be done, in small batches - much smaller than the max capacity of the container. Questions are - a) what kind of strain does it put on the motor (reducing working life) and b) do the quantities that can be produced match the quantity needed?

Ganaches are not hard to make over the stove with an immersion blender to guarantee the emulsion.

If I could afford to have only one it would be the Blixer. If cost were not an issue, I might go with both and experiment with producing a variety of other items such as pates de fruits.

Andrea B
@Andrea B
05/29/11 11:04:18
92 posts

Robot Coupe vs. Thermomix?


Posted in: Opinion

Thanks for the replies. I was on the fence about the Thermomix being able to handle marzipan. I recently took a class and they tried to make praline in the Thermomix and it didn't work very well - probably because there was too much in the container. I think it could probably handle small batches though (same for marzipan). Clay, thanks for the input about the Blixer - I was thinking that model made the most sense.
Kerry
@Kerry
05/28/11 19:42:00
288 posts

Robot Coupe vs. Thermomix?


Posted in: Opinion

I make all my ganaches in the thermomix. About 4 minutes to heat, and about 20 seconds to blend- Bob's your uncle!

I do know that one of the folks I know who owns one uses it for small batch marzipan and is very happy with it.

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
05/28/11 17:44:25
1,692 posts

Robot Coupe vs. Thermomix?


Posted in: Opinion

Andrea:

I have looked at the Thermomix on a number of occasions over the past couple of years trying to assess its place in a chocolate kitchen. While it can be used to make ganaches and other fillings if you take a close look at all the videos I don't see anything that involves very dense fat-heavy applications like nut pastes - marzipan, pralins, etc.

They're not cheap either and not available directly in the US; you have to buy them from Canada but they do honor the warranty from what I hear.

If you're going to be working with nuts, and you only plan on getting one machine, the Robot Coupe is the better choice. You're going to want one with a "Blixer" designation - blender/mixer.

:: Clay

Andrea B
@Andrea B
05/26/11 21:42:22
92 posts

Robot Coupe vs. Thermomix?


Posted in: Opinion

I am thinking of adding another piece if equipment to all of my kitchen gear. I am thinking of either a Robot Coupe or a Thermamix. I want to use it primarily for making marzipan and ganaches, etc. Any input about which one to choose would be great. Also if the suggestion is for a Robot Coupe then suggestions on which model would be helpful as well. Thanks, Andrea
updated by @Andrea B: 04/09/15 21:58:14
Kerry
@Kerry
05/28/11 19:47:55
288 posts

Device Cutter for centers with nuts and fruit review/opinion wanted.


Posted in: Opinion

Never used one - but indeed it does look like a sweet set-up for things heavier than ganaches.
David Marcoe
@David Marcoe
05/26/11 11:57:35
7 posts

Device Cutter for centers with nuts and fruit review/opinion wanted.


Posted in: Opinion

Doing the homework and looking for a Guitar I ran into a "Device Cutter" at Chocolate world. It seems to do everything the guitar does and a lot more. I believe "Pavoni" also makes one.

I make centers with fruits and nuts so the Guitar does not truly work for many of the confections.

I use a roll cutter (caramel cutter) now but would like to make life easier and this looks like a sweet set-up.

Does anyone have any experience with these? or maybe another manufacturer of a simular type cutter?

For anyone who has not seen them work here is a YouTube link:

http://www.youtube.com/user/newdecorsart#p/u
Automatic moulding machine


updated by @David Marcoe: 04/13/15 06:23:25
darkandbitter
@darkandbitter
05/28/11 06:47:37
3 posts

can unsweetened baking chocolate be used for tempering?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

okay, that's what i thought. if unsweetened chocolate is tempered, it makes sense that it should be able to be re-tempered, right? not sure why i was having such a problem. perhaps it was a humidity issue. it rained for two months here in new york during the course of my multiple efforts. i tried again now that it has dried out a bit, and tempered for one hour+. seems to hold a temper, no bloom yet. however, when i tested the tempering chocolate with a spoon (to check if it was tempered and would set) during the process, it did not set. that's why i tempered it for so long. in the end, i did my dipping and molding, cooled in the refrigerator.

chocolate is mysterious and wonderful.

Ice Blocks!
@Ice Blocks!
05/25/11 20:27:36
81 posts

can unsweetened baking chocolate be used for tempering?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques


It's really up to you, the baking chocolate we usually have here is adulterated in some way.

Solid at normal room temperature.

I'd imagine so but no experience.

1. I don't personally like the process of dutching. It's and aesthetic thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_process_chocolate

2. No, Food grade only! You can use other fats e.g. butter, coconut, etc ... Obviously other fats will effect tempering and taste drastically.

Mark Heim
@Mark Heim
05/25/11 20:24:56
101 posts

can unsweetened baking chocolate be used for tempering?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

You can temper unsweetened chocolate. When you purchase the bars, they're tempered. When blending chocolates, especially adding cocoa powder look for a change in percent cocoa butter of your new blend. This will have a significant affect on the chocolate from processing to eating quality.
darkandbitter
@darkandbitter
05/25/11 16:56:45
3 posts

can unsweetened baking chocolate be used for tempering?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

thanks for your reply!

so, are you saying; dont use the unsweetened baking chocolate?

is the chocolate liquer solid or liquid?

will it solidify if mixed (and tempered properly) with the maltitol sweetened chocolate?

if i am going to use the cocoa powder:

1. dutch process or no?

2. would cosmetic grade 100% cocoa butter work?

Ice Blocks!
@Ice Blocks!
05/25/11 16:26:21
81 posts

can unsweetened baking chocolate be used for tempering?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

100% unsweetened (winnowed, ground and often roasted cacao) is referred to as chocolate / cacao / cocoa liquor which may be why your having problems finding it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolate_liquor

If your still having problems, what you could do is buy pure cacao powder (e.g. http://www.bigtreefarms.com/cacao/ see link at bottom for stockists) and cacao butter from a health food store and combine to reconstitute a liquor. You would have to know the proportion of butter (fat) in the powder to do that, roughly aiming for a 50% butter content by weight.

darkandbitter
@darkandbitter
05/25/11 13:26:26
3 posts

can unsweetened baking chocolate be used for tempering?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

can unsweetened chocolate be used for tempering? i love daaaark chocolate, 90+% for daily consumption. however, i dont eat sugar, and the darkest sugar free dark chocolate i have found is about 53%, which is totally unacceptable. so i have endeavored to make my own. i have been mixing unsweetened chocolate with the 53% dark chocolate (sweetened with maltitol) and am confident with my precise tempering technique, but have not been able to hold a temper for more than 24 hours. if unsweetened baking chocolate is not recommended, where can i find unsweetened chocolate for molding? please help me!


updated by @darkandbitter: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Petre
@Petre
05/24/11 11:01:35
2 posts

Is it possible though?


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Sorry, I wanted to rephrase the question

'I am wandering if there would be a market for chocolate molds of famous statues or not in the US. I am thinking of corporate gifts, special occasions, parties, events, cheap or expensive alike'

Thanks

Petre

Petre
@Petre
05/24/11 10:58:09
2 posts

Is it possible though?


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

I am wandering if there would be a marker for chocolate molds of states (famous or not) like. I am thinking of corporate gifts, special occasions, parties, events, cheap or expensive alike

Thanks

Petre


updated by @Petre: 05/29/15 11:34:31
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